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March 31, 2023

Illinois Got Your Guns; Now They Want Your Ammo –

By John Kraft & Kirk Allen

On February 26, 2023

SPRINGFIELD, IL. (ECWd) –

Illinois State Representative Sonya Harper filed HB3891, which will make you a criminal if you do not turn over your (unserialized) ammo.

She wants all of your ammo registered with the Illinois State Police and a tax, I mean a “fee,” on each round of ammo.

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that beginning January 1, 2024, all handgun ammunition that is manufactured, imported into the State for sale or personal use, kept for sale, offered or exposed for sale, sold, given, lent, or possessed shall be serialized. Provides that beginning January 1, 2024, any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, imports into the State for sale or personal use, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Provides that beginning January 1, 2024, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. Provides exceptions. Provides that beginning January 1, 2024, the Illinois State Police shall maintain a centralized registry of all reports of handgun ammunition transactions reported to the Illinois State Police in a manner prescribed by the Illinois State Police. Provides that information in the registry, upon proper application for that information, shall be furnished to peace officers and authorized employees of the Illinois State Police or to the person listed in the registry as the owner of the particular handgun ammunition. Provides that the Illinois State Police shall adopt rules relating to the assessment and collection of end-user fees in an amount not to exceed $0.005 per round of handgun ammunition or per bullet, in which the accumulated fee amount may not exceed the cost to pay for the infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of these provisions. Effective January 1, 2024, except some provisions effective immediately.

The FULL TEXT is even worse – read it HERE.

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11 Comments
  • Dave
    Posted at 20:05h, 26 February Reply

    This is nothing less than persecution of gun owners in violation of both the Illinois and US Constitutions by fascist democrats in the Illinois state legislature. This is a move right from Hitler’s Nazi Germany

  • Dave
    Posted at 20:14h, 26 February Reply

    The southern democrats Jim Crow moved to Chicago Illinois. The unalienable right to keep and bear arms is protected from govt abuse by being in the Bill of Rights. The Illinois Bill of Rights enshrines inalienable rights like that of free speech, religious freedom, and to keep and bear arms. It’s important to remember, the Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it enshrines and secures our inalienable rights from government abuse. To say that the Bill of Rights confers our rights, is incorrect. The fundamental organic law of our Declaration of Independence (DOI) tells us our unalienable rights were granted to us by our Creator. Our unalienable rights are woven into the fabric of natural law by our creator. As such, they pre-date our country’s laws, proving the Bill of Rights does not grant us our inalienable rights. I know that comes as a surprise to ignorant power abusing Chicago legislators. We possess our inalienable rights regardless of any documents. Section One of the Illinois Bill of Rights spells it out:
    Section 1. Inherent and Inalienable Rights; All men are by nature free and independent and have certain inherent and inalienable rights among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To secure these rights and the protection of property, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    The Declaration of Independence is part of American Law, there are those who disagree. Professor John Eidsmoe writes: “The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.” The DOI states in part:
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
    The definition of Inalienable Rights from a law dictionary: “Personal rights held by an individual which are not bestowed by government law, custom, or belief, and which cannot be taken or given away, or transferred to another person, are referred to as “inalienable rights.” The “police power” clause n Article 1, Sec. 22, doesn’t permit the Ill. Legislature to ban specific types of arms. It permits them to say you can’t take your arms into a State Prison, or a State Courthouse, or an insane asylum, and such like places; but it doesn’t permit them to ban types of arms altogether. When will the fascists learn, we don’t live ion their plantation . .When the Illinois state government arrogantly refuses to follow or enact laws in pursuance of the U.S. and Illinois state constitutions their action is lawless; it’s not restrained or controlled by law, not regulated by or based on law.
    The function of a state constitution is to create the civil government and define its lawful powers; the state constitution tells govt:

    • What it must do
    • What it can’t do
    • And what it may lawfully do

    Obeying the state constitution is not optional for the Illinois state govt, they are not all powerful, that means you to Chitcago!

  • Dave
    Posted at 20:22h, 26 February Reply

    In McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), the SCOTUS majority said “the power to tax is the power to destroy” the very reason why govt cannot lawfully tax a constitutionally protected unalienable right. The fascist democrats in the Illinois general assembly and our power abusing governor are trying to tax and regulate the right to keep and bear arms by criminalizing gun and ammo ownership.

  • Dave
    Posted at 20:39h, 26 February Reply

    I have come to the conclusion that this onerous proposed bill(HB 3891) violates the US Constitution’s supremacy clause because the Illinois gun ban infringes the right to keep and bear arms by the militia and runs contrary to the US Constitution, specifically that of Article I, §8, clauses 15 and 16 ; which could and would interfere with Congress’ power to “organize, arm, and discipline, the Militia. Congress has the constitutionally granted authority to call up the militia, the fascists in the Illinois legislature cannot infringe upon that power by restricting the right to keep and bear arms.

    I wish the Illinois legislature democrats would read the constitutions they swore an oath to uphold.

  • Neil Batchelor
    Posted at 11:52h, 27 February Reply

    I’m Canadian and therefore have no particular dog in this fight. However, I do know that true rights are extremely rare in the world. We here in Canada have no such rights as are enshrined in the American Constitution. Our ability to own and use firearms is a privilege granted at the behest of the sitting government and can be restricted or removed at any time without recourse (and that is happening to us now). It also seems to me that American blood has been, and continues to be shed in defence of the rights and freedoms granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It would seem to be unwise at best and criminally stupid at worst to discontinue vigilance that ensures the continuation of rights that have exacted such a high price over the centuries of their existence. A right that enables the citizenry to retain an approximation of military deterrence should a government fall out of balance at some point is nearly unheard of elsewhere in the world. That being the case, I would encourage my American brothers and sisters to rigorously uphold all of their rights and freedoms and allow no diminishment of scope or power, nor social dictum born of contrary ideology to change a single letter of a Constitution so dearly purchased. Ever.

  • EP
    Posted at 18:07h, 27 February Reply

    I paid any lawful tax on ammunition at point of sale. As is currently enforced, it is difficult to illegally obtain ammunition. This bill will serve to add another layer of bureaucracy, and that’s about all. Spot checks by law enforcement for compliance? Already an option.

    • L J
      Posted at 18:48h, 02 March Reply

      EP, you are very naive. It easy to obtain illegal Ammo. Your option on spot checking is even more naive. Just who do you think a prejudice Law Enforcement Officer is going to “Spot-check?” This way we get the so called civilized red-herring good citizen also. The only person who would be against this is someone who wants to hide. They’re are not proposing to take away ammo; they just want to regulate the most negative side of society like they did with cigarettes, and liquor. If you don’t like it then go to one of the far right state where any mental hillbilly can be “Jed Clampet” and John Wayne and all the other proud-boy type murdering clowns. This way everything leads back to who purchased the ammo. It seems to me a law abiding citizen would agree with that. Taxing and inflation is everywhere. They call it the cost of living.

      • L J
        Posted at 21:41h, 02 March Reply

        Forgive my lack of past tense of my words. My mind runs ahead of my writing and I skip or miss words or tenses and I usually don’t edit or check for mistakes. But I do manage to get over to others the “GIST!” Of my point.

  • Greg G
    Posted at 18:40h, 27 February Reply

    I’ll register my ammo right after the Chicago street gas register theirs!

  • Greg G
    Posted at 18:40h, 27 February Reply

    I’ll register my ammo right after the Chicago street gangs register theirs!

  • Melanie Thornton
    Posted at 11:04h, 02 March Reply

    Why is Sonya targeting law abiding citizens? The Democratic representatives go after law abiding citizens, but do not go after the criminals. If you prosecuted the criminals, you would have no reason to go after people who are living in a civilized society, following the constitution, and doing what is right. I am tired of the white people getting blamed for everything, and Lightfoot pulls out the woman and the race card because she lost the election. She deserves to lose the election she did a terrible job and created chaos, unlawfulness, and created further crime in the city. I’m not sure any of the people in charge have any common sense. You think it matters to the deer if a serial number is on a slug? Further, where do these people think electricity comes from? The majority is natural resources of fossil fuels! They want to turn everything electric, it doesn’t work for rural areas, and it will cost people in the city twice as much. I have had a 12 KW Wind Generator in my backyard since 2000. You have to have a constant wind of at least 8 miles an hour to make it work the entire time. Yes, it helps, but is it worth the price one has to pay? It will take 30 years to pay for itself and life expectancy is 30 years. They have now doubled in price. The rural common folks need to start standing up for our rights. They are being taken away quicker than you can blink. Join a constitutional rights group and make your voice be heard.

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